Session Start: Wed Sep 19 15:58:15 2007
Session Ident: #plrlive
[15:58] * Now talking in #plrlive
[15:58] * Topic is 'Welcome to the Netpond Show! Audio on http://69.61.74.194:8000/listen.pls'
[15:58] * Set by Logfile on Wed Jan 31 18:51:52
[15:58] -Logfile- Welcome to the PLRradio and AEBNradio Chat Room! 
[15:58] <_lb_> hey pj
[15:58] <PaulJohn> hi there
[15:58] <PaulJohn> ok cool i'm not late
[15:58] <PaulJohn> :)
[15:58] <SleazyBear> hey krusty
[15:58] <SleazyBear> hey pj
[15:59] <SleazyBear> not at all pj thanks for comming
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[15:59] <Lucky_Cappuccino> hi krusty, pj, guest
[15:59] <PaulJohn> np, glad that i could make it
[15:59] <PaulJohn> hi there
[15:59] <Krusty> hey :)
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[16:00] <crabman> hey everyone
[16:00] <Lucky_Cappuccino> hi crabman
[16:02] <_lb_> hey guys
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[16:09] <Lucky_Cappuccino> hi VideoRob
[16:10] <VideoRob> hey
[16:10] <_lb_> hey rob :)
[16:10] <Krusty> hey rob :):)
[16:10] <VideoRob> hey hey
[16:10] <VideoRob> haven't missed much have i?
[16:10] <_lb_> just started :)
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[16:11] <bizchick> Mornin :)
[16:11] <VideoRob> hey bizbhick
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[16:12] <_lb_> hey guys :)
[16:12] <docputer> good morning all
[16:12] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Say SB, if you are still giving that out, could you drop a link?
[16:12] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Hi Doc!
[16:12] <bizchick> hey doc! 
[16:13] <SleazyBear> fuckyouu.com/comus.zip
[16:13] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Thank you SB!
[16:13] <_lb_> nice domain :)
[16:14] <VideoRob> guys, check out my moreniche stats http://www.robsgalleries.com/webmaster/morenichestats.jpg
[16:15] <VideoRob> $9 per click
[16:15] <_lb_> hey mate thats awesome !
[16:15] <_lb_> what kinda traffic you pushing ?
[16:15] <VideoRob> SE
[16:15] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Ah, sleazy, they can't make you stop distributing it, because it is released under the GPL and they cant revoke rights
[16:15] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Damn $9
[16:15] <VideoRob> ofrom one little site that took me half a day to make
[16:15] <VideoRob> too fucking easy
[16:16] <_lb_> lol awesome :)  yeah using moreniche on the project too
[16:16] <VideoRob> sweet
[16:16] <_lb_> I dont trust most of the others.... especially jupzchris's .  dodgy as all hell
[16:17] <VideoRob> yeah hes a punk, i've met the moreniche team, they're cool
[16:20] <_lb_> Love da money bars ;)
[16:21] <VideoRob> do you manually put the money bars in?
[16:21] <Lucky_Cappuccino> I've used iframes
[16:21] <VideoRob> yeah i was thinking about that
[16:21] <Lucky_Cappuccino> I dunno if that is right or not, but its what ive done
[16:22] <bizchick> I've also used curl includes
[16:22] <VideoRob> how often do you change them?
[16:22] <_lb_> iframes are good, because you can change out a few bad sponsors with one adjustment
[16:22] <VideoRob> i'd have to crop a load of thumbs and pick new galleries
[16:22] <_lb_> though you lose a little seo benefit
[16:22] <Krusty> yeah benny from moreniche rocks :)
[16:23] <bizchick> the curl include (on php parsed pages only) preserves the seo benefits, but is easy like the iframe.
[16:23] <Lucky_Cappuccino> biz->release_to_listeners();
[16:23] <_lb_> whats fantasyman doing with himself ?  totally retired ?
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[16:24] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Hi Chi!
[16:24] <Chimera> Morning LC :)
[16:25] <Chimera> Darn I was up just did not know it was changed!
[16:25] <docputer> morning chimera
[16:25] <Chimera> hey Doc
[16:25] <Chimera> oooo a blast from the past Fantasyman :)
[16:25] <_lb_> yeah thats an old name :)
[16:26] <Chimera> LOL yeah
[16:28] <Chimera> for those who had the content it was super...but content was tighter back then
[16:28] <_lb_> you would see the same images over and over and over.  
[16:29] <_lb_> No wonder things converted :p
[16:29] <Chimera> LOL
[16:29] <Chimera> yeah and all pics had to be linked to cybererotica :)
[16:29] <Chimera> newgroups were the BOMB :)
[16:30] <Chimera> lol I owned 100 at one time I was rich!
[16:30] <_lb_> I havent done newsgroups for ages.  do they still do traffic ?
[16:30] <Chimera> I dunno
[16:31] <Chimera> I haven't either but newgroup and yahoo groups were big money back in the day
[16:31] <Chimera> now I don't tbink I would mess with them to be honest
[16:31] <_lb_> a higher percentage of dialup surfers (inexperienced surfers) buy.  The high speeders usually just suck bw.
[16:31] <Chimera> LOL yeah we did a little calculation on how much each surfer cost in BW and how to squeeze every drop from them
[16:32] <Chimera> cause BW was so horribly high
[16:32] <_lb_> graphics heavy tours that take forever to load always convert worse
[16:32] <VideoRob> how long will dial up surfers be around for?
[16:32] <_lb_> gotta look after the 56kers.  rob i rekon for a long time yet.  emerging markets like china etc ... 
[16:32] <Chimera> Video you ever tried a satelitte connection? OMGosh it is almost as bad and rural people are dependent on it
[16:33] <_lb_> US sales are getting worse as their dollar plummets, and other countries are getting richer and have disposable income. 
[16:33] <Chimera> I still build for dial up...because a the high speeders will get slapped in the face with my ads fast and the dialups hopefuly wont get bored and I really want them
[16:33] <_lb_> I am getting occasional chinese sales now.  you wouldn't dream of it years ago. 
[16:33] <VideoRob> most of the sites i build are just basic pages with banners and text on with links to galleries
[16:34] <Chimera> LOL I still love the text banners the table with a thumb on one side and the text on the other
[16:34] <Chimera> I don't see them so much anymore so I luv them
[16:34] <VideoRob> i dont have any fancy graphics and i dont build galleries anymore
[16:34] <_lb_> looks like everyone is giving up on galleries. 
[16:34] <Chimera> wow LB chinese?
[16:35] <_lb_> yeah :)  China is developing a middle class with heaps of disposable income. you would be surprised.  many other countries too
[16:35] <Chimera> hmm I wonder how to play to that crowd
[16:35] <Chimera> I will research it thank you LB
[16:35] <_lb_> sure :)
[16:36] <_lb_> many speak english fine.
[16:36] <Chimera> well since most of what I do is playing to the reading surfer ....they appear to be a market:)
[16:36] <_lb_> SB ... I just hear over and over how people are sick of submitting.  Maybe not those with PA's but hell even the hun is half the traffic he used to have. 
[16:37] <PaulJohn> hun sucks
[16:37] <_lb_> worldsex has plummeted too
[16:37] <Chimera> Yes someone pointed that out 
[16:37] <VideoRob> they like to talk as well
[16:37] <Chimera> LOL true Video 
[16:38] <Chimera> Sadly I epitommize the "Chatty Cathy" type
[16:38] <_lb_> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=thehun.net
[16:38] <_lb_> check out the 4 year link :)
[16:40] <Chimera> Kitty used to have the buying traffic too :(
[16:40] <_lb_> you could get a site listed and rake in 2-3 sales a day just from a link on her ll
[16:41] <_lb_> same with greenguy.  He has taken a real beating to the point he is now quietly making freesites on the side for cash
[16:41] <Chimera> OH NO
[16:41] * bizchick whistles
[16:41] <Chimera> :(
[16:41] <VideoRob> xxxjay seems to be doing alright
[16:41] <_lb_> you adapt or die :(
[16:41] <_lb_> xxxjay is a seo guy. he stays with the times
[16:41] <Chimera> *nods* adapting is the tough part I see it changing and am grasping around looking for the direction
[16:42] <VideoRob> lets hope seo never goes out of fashion
[16:42] <Krusty> *touch wood*
[16:42] <Chimera> and sadly, my one conclusion is the day of the "little guy" is passing so I am feeling like i need to dig in and make a place or be lost
[16:43] <bizchick> yeah that's exactly how I feel about it. That and we need to have a larger mainstream presence
[16:43] <_lb_> yeah you gotta get a traffic site as a bargaining chip
[16:43] <_lb_> even if the SE's start charging for traffic, you can link with others. 
[16:44] <Chimera> *nods* that is evident also I am looking at the direction and yours seems to be sound LB I never want to own a paysite though am advised it is the way to grow...I want to own a traffic pump
[16:44] <_lb_> paysite isn'tthe way to go now
[16:44] <_lb_> traffic is
[16:44] <Chimera> I don't feel like it....and yes traffic has always been king...what I find really strange is either some lessons sunk in or...things have changed because traffic for me is Easier than back in the day
[16:45] <_lb_> paysites are begging for traffic, many doing 1-2 sales a day over a whole program !  So many barely keeping theirhead above water
[16:45] <_lb_> thats awesome :)
[16:45] <Lucky_Cappuccino> 1-2 over the whole Program!?
[16:45] <Lucky_Cappuccino> hole lee sheet
[16:45] <VideoRob> i dont sign up with new sponsors anymore
[16:45] <_lb_> yeah .  hell when nats left open a back door that allowed you to check how many sales each program was doing .... 
[16:46] <Chimera> LOL
[16:46] <Lucky_Cappuccino> roffle...the state of programming in this industry
[16:46] <_lb_> there were so many programs who talked big on gfy, and they were doing 0-1 sales a day!  thats over 10+ sites
[16:46] <Chimera> well tht is sad
[16:46] <bizchick> ... 
[16:46] <PaulJohn> damn thats pretty fucked up heh
[16:46] <_lb_> A massive number were doing between 2-6 a day maximum !
[16:46] <Chimera> well thing is to make your traffic pay. I was told once on a board that webmasters waste traffic that is what they do....I hate that idea you work hard to gain it
[16:46] <Lucky_Cappuccino> omg that is just damn sad
[16:47] <_lb_> only a few were above 10.  you can't make much money doing under 10 sales a day with the overheads too
[16:47] <Chimera> no they have huge overheads
[16:47] <bizchick> wow, hell so I'm doing as well as a low end paysite - that really puts it into perspective
[16:47] <Chimera> *nods*
[16:47] <bizchick> and my overhead is less.
[16:47] <Chimera> I know and that in itself says we need to be looking in other directions
[16:47] <_lb_> But SB .. content providers are hurting. They are trying every trick in the book
[16:48] <bizchick> heh, spamming threads on message boards for example...
[16:48] * bizchick rolls eyes
[16:48] <_lb_> :)
[16:48] <Chimera> argh I bought a boatload of content and still have tons and I simply dont use it too much by the sponsors
[16:48] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Magic L.
[16:49] <Chimera> The only key to selling now is something the surfer can't get for free
[16:49] <Chimera> to me a perfect example is Suicide girls
[16:49] <Chimera> they controll their content so tightly and are so different
[16:49] <_lb_> I had to remove PM's teen content from my site because members were complaining they had seen it already all over the net and why did they pay to see what they can get for free. Got that a few times !
[16:49] <Chimera> that people buy
[16:50] <Chimera> so finding something that stands out and the sponsor CONTROLS it I promote
[16:50] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Hell, half their site SG isnt porn
[16:50] <_lb_> Suicide girls is fantastic :)
[16:50] <Chimera> yes they are
[16:50] <SleazyBear> suicidegirls.comm
[16:50] <Chimera> ? rough?
[16:50] <Chimera> they are solo punk girls
[16:50] <VideoRob> the owners are too anal
[16:51] <Chimera> LOL but they sell because they are so anal about their content!
[16:51] <Lucky_Cappuccino> the owners are a bit flaky, but they have a hell of a business model that even my stupid ass can appreciate
[16:51] <_lb_> its a goth style site sb. very well done.
[16:51] <Chimera> Yeah I agree I don't like solo girls and I don't really like suicide girls but I do like the fact they control their content nad their girls stand out
[16:52] <Chimera> they sell where others don't
[16:53] <Chimera> They are very anal SB but because of that they are selling 
[16:53] <Lucky_Cappuccino> They seem to sell it on the community aspect which you can't make a commodity, unlike content
[16:53] <_lb_> yeah thats the correct url
[16:53] <_lb_> community sites are taking off ... can see why it works.
[16:53] <Chimera> not sure why they convert but they do
[16:53] <Chimera> Yeah they are taking off *sighs* and I am trying to learn them
[16:54] <Chimera> and I am not even ready to look at the tube site but....I can see how that can be profitable even if it doesn't sell a single subsription
[16:55] <Lucky_Cappuccino> That's the right url sb - that's what they do, they make their porn part of a "lifestyle"
[16:55] <Chimera> LOL poor SB
[16:55] <Chimera> yeah they are selling the lifestyle and the community of like minded individuals
[16:56] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Hell, they were so successful that they got a guest spot on one of those CSI shows
[16:56] <Chimera> Yah
[16:56] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Complete mainstream crossover, even Jenna cant claim that
[16:56] <Chimera> never thought of that LC
[16:56] <Lucky_Cappuccino> They really have defined their demographic
[16:57] <Lucky_Cappuccino> I bet they have an entire profile of their target consumer
[16:57] <Chimera> *nods* well I find they DO convert and I am happy you have told me why 
[16:57] <_lb_> So SB ... whats new on NP ... or NPC ... or give me some meaty news !!!  :)
[16:57] <Chimera> lol meaty news eh?
[16:58] <_lb_> I always need something new or juicy to look forward to :)
[16:58] <VideoRob> your project
[16:58] <Chimera> I haven't gotten near as much netpond reading time lately
[16:58] <_lb_> doh
[16:58] <Chimera> yeah I read your project wow that looks superb!
[16:58] <Chimera> lol those applications intimidate me though :)
[16:58] <_lb_> yeh just looked and have more than 60 people sent me emails.  damn ... thats more than I expected
[16:59] <Chimera> it is a topic that speaks to every single webmaster
[16:59] <_lb_> nah apps are just for my records mostly . only bumped 1 person because he had no idea. 
[16:59] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Chi, goddamnit, APPLY
[16:59] <Lucky_Cappuccino> plz!
[16:59] <Chimera> *sigh* I am gonna cause I dun wanna be left out and he understands SE and I gots to learn it I got to
[16:59] <Chimera> I got ideas but on a plain page....i get lost if it is not a blog I am clueless
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[17:00] <Chimera> Hi tigermom!
[17:00] <bizchick> hey tigermom :)
[17:00] <Lucky_Cappuccino> thank you, because I want to copy ur work chi ;)
[17:00] <Chimera> LMAO I thought I would copy YOURS 
[17:00] <tigermom> hi everyone!
[17:00] <Lucky_Cappuccino> hi TM
[17:00] <Chimera> ok let's just copy bizzie's?
[17:00] <Lucky_Cappuccino> done
[17:00] <bizchick> NO no no
[17:00] <_lb_> its not just seo chimera.  Actually the best thing about the project is networking with other wm's. SB taught me that this biz is about relationships and networking as much as working
[17:00] <Chimera> good :)
[17:00] <bizchick> I wanna learn, you go do your own work :)
[17:00] <_lb_> wow sb... doesn't sound good
[17:01] <Chimera> I agree lb my biggest strength in this business is networking
[17:01] <bizchick> and, I'm not eligible 
[17:01] <SinfulDesire> is beta brigade still open? i never got a reply back from my email so I thought it was closed
[17:01] <Chimera> not eligible I wanna cheat and copy you perfectly
[17:01] <Lucky_Cappuccino> the answer is: rutabaga 
[17:01] <Chimera> muhahahaha
[17:01] <Chimera> the answer is Chimera wins :)
[17:01] <Lucky_Cappuccino> cabbage
[17:02] <tigermom> what's the show about? LB's project?
[17:02] <_lb_> lol no
[17:02] <Chimera> well we got him to talk a little tigermom but not much
[17:02] <Lucky_Cappuccino> almost over TM, it got pushed back
[17:02] <Lucky_Cappuccino> :(
[17:02] <tigermom> yeah, I know, I only just now deposited the kids away :(
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[17:02] <Chimera> :(
[17:02] <Chimera> uhh I have my own?
[17:03] <Lucky_Cappuccino> rent to own pubes?
[17:03] <Guest81526> omg thats off
[17:03] <Chimera> what about the repos?
[17:03] <bizchick> this pube could be yours for THREE EASY PAYMENTS of $19.99
[17:03] <Chimera> I mean if you don't make your pube payments!
[17:04] <Guest81526> brb putting my pubes on ebay
[17:04] <tigermom> you can always post it on youpube.com
[17:04] <bizchick> LMAO
[17:04] <Chimera> LMAO
[17:04] <Lucky_Cappuccino> LMAO
[17:04] <Chimera> good one!
[17:04] <bizchick> and the rush for the domain begins
[17:04] <Guest81526> LOOOL
[17:04] <tigermom> lol yeah
[17:04] <VideoRob> lol
[17:04] <Chimera> she is evil she wins always
[17:04] <Chimera> I got her ears this week though
[17:04] <Krusty> cut her net lol
[17:05] <Chimera> lc unpug her computer!
[17:05] <bizchick> no no, I not playing today :)
[17:05] <Lucky_Cappuccino> But she hits, HARD
[17:06] <Chimera> I know she is always hollering at me too :(
[17:06] <Guest81526> oh how do i change my name
[17:06] <Chimera> glad she can't hit me
[17:06] <Chimera> type /nick
[17:06] <Chimera> uhh /nick nickname
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[17:06] <apcwebmaster> cool as thx
[17:06] <tigermom> what thread?
[17:06] <tigermom> the one about pubes?
[17:06] <Krusty> lol
[17:06] <Lucky_Cappuccino> pubesmoneycash.com
[17:07] <apcwebmaster> say it out loud
[17:07] <apcwebmaster> :D
[17:08] <SleazyBear> http://netpond.com/showthread.php?t=118076 the 4th person to post in this thread wins $25 in netpond points, guest names are not elegable post something creative
[17:09] <PaulJohn> 4th person or make the 4th post? :)
[17:09] <Krusty> lol
[17:09] <Krusty> smart ass
[17:09] <bizchick> THIS is why I always win - you lot are SLOW
[17:10] <crabman> i'm logged on to netpond but when i click the link it says i'm not logged on
[17:10] <tigermom> I'm here
[17:10] <Krusty> lol i'm here :)
[17:10] <tigermom> here, I'll start ya off
[17:10] <SleazyBear> 4th person so you have the thread starter, and then 3 posts after that
[17:10] <Chimera> lol trying to log in for some reason i got logged out
[17:10] <bizchick> go go chi! go go lucky!
[17:11] <PaulJohn> damn missed
[17:11] <tigermom> lol was going to start you off, but I think I'm the fourth person there now
[17:11] <Krusty> HAHAHHAHAHA
[17:11] <Krusty> i wrote the most - you buncha whores
[17:11] <_lb_> bloody hell. I just wanted to get it started
[17:11] <SleazyBear> it would be tigermom is the winner
[17:11] <Krusty> congrats tigermom :)
[17:12] <_lb_> oh good. thought it was the 4th reply and I had won by accident :)
[17:12] <tigermom> oops wrong thread lol
[17:12] <Lucky_Cappuccino> Lol, I was prolly the first to start writing, and still came in last
[17:12] <Chimera> lol i was logged out
[17:12] <Chimera> and could not get in
[17:12] <VideoRob> congrats tigermom
[17:12] <tigermom> oh, it was the right thread? whew
[17:12] <tigermom> thanks
[17:12] <docputer> so was I
[17:12] <Krusty> lol wonder what the boysl
[17:12] <docputer> way to go TM
[17:12] <Krusty> 'll do when they find out we were instructed to whore lol
[17:12] <Chimera> LOL
[17:12] <apcwebmaster> lol
[17:13] <apcwebmaster> i couldnt refresh the page
[17:13] <Chimera> lol not me i am always logged in but this time i was logged out
[17:13] <bizchick> gratz tigermom :)
[17:13] <apcwebmaster> too bad lol
[17:13] <Chimera> yes grats tigermom :)
[17:14] <tigermom> thanks, I didn't even mean to lol
[17:14] <Chimera> it is great you did :)
[17:14] <tigermom> I figured I would be the first, just to get the ball rolling, but I guess others thought the same thing
[17:14] <Chimera> good luck SB
[17:15] <Chimera> thanks for the show too :)
[17:15] <_lb_> thx for the show sb :)
[17:15] <crabman> good show SB
[17:15] <bizchick> always a good time sb - wouldnt miss it
[17:15] <Krusty> cheers :) was a good show sb :)
[17:15] <Chimera> yeah thank you bizzie for cluing me in
[17:15] <apcwebmaster> :)
[17:15] <_lb_> yeah much better time. though those lazy americans dont like getting up early :p
[17:15] <tigermom> have a good meeting at the doc's SB, best of health
[17:15] <_lb_> no offence :)
[17:15] <Chimera> LOL I been up for hours lb :)
[17:15] <VideoRob> thanks SB
[17:15] <PaulJohn> lol lb
[17:16] <tigermom> none taken :p are there any americans here anyway? :D
[17:16] <Krusty> HAHAHA says.......... me who gets up at 11am at the earliest lol
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[17:16] <crabman> thats true lb, had to drag my lazy butt out of bed
[17:16] <docputer> Thanks Sb, get feeling better
[17:16] <bizchick> yeah go get healthy sb
[17:16] <Lucky_Cappuccino> wow, get to the doctors
[17:16] <SleazyBear> well at least i made it to the end without caughing myself half to death
[17:17] <Chimera> LOL go to doc SB and then look for some suicide chickies :)
[17:17] <apcwebmaster> thanks for the show ;)
[17:17] <docputer> here
[17:17] <Chimera> yes you did SB thanks
[17:17] <tigermom> thanks for the show, don't be late now
[17:17] <Chimera> after he says that he starts to cough :(
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[17:17] <Chimera> ok that was fun I guess I am sposed to work now :)
[17:17] <PaulJohn> see ya all :)
[17:17] <_lb_> cya guys :)
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[17:17] <tigermom> bye all
[17:17] <apcwebmaster> cya
[17:17] <Lucky_Cappuccino> cya lb
[17:17] <VideoRob> bye
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[17:18] <crabman> take care
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[17:18] <Lucky_Cappuccino> take care all
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[17:19] <apcwebmaster> bye all
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